Talk:Revitalised Role Rankings by Suede

Beatrix ATK/MAG break is in her LB, being 40% without max LB and 64% max LB both single target and lasts 3 turns, you said: "Debuffing units are ranked according to their ability to consistently maintain high percentage breaks. Break combinations are considered i.e. ATK/MAG and DEF/SPR are favoured over ATK/DEF and MAG/SPR for full breaking. Turn 1 breaking is a much larger factor for ATK/MAG than DEF/SPR. Imperils, ailments and hexes are not a factor. The ability AoE debuff is considered as a tiebreaker.." couldn't Warrior of Light for example be better knowing for sure you will be able to Break ATK/MAG 45% turn 1 AoE than Beatrix?

-Trysntark

While Beatrix's turn 1 is less safe than the other ATK/MAG breakers (similar to Knight Delita, but a bigger issue for Beatrix), a 64% ATK/MAG break is such an enormous boost over a 45% one, and even Gilgamesh's 55% break. Her LB is pretty cheap at 20 LS, so she shouldn't have trouble maintaining it, particularly with Eccentrick up. Additionally, her poor turn 1 can be supplemented by usage of World Destroyer or Offensive Freeze, akin to some elemental resistance buffers potentially using Calamity Border to cover weak points in their rotations. I think it's more realistic to think of Beatrix having access to 35% or 40% breaks in the worst case scenario when her LB isn't up on turn 1, because that's still a huge difference compared to not breaking at all.

-Suede

I think your rankings are great. I'm not here to change things. I'm just dropping this as a honorable mention for enhanced Basch in the category of ATK/MAG breaking. He doesn't have 74% LB & 70% CD breaks of Auron, but he can on-demand 5-turn 65% atk/mag break and reapply more often as needed (such as if a boss self-dispels). This can be better than Auron, who can only on-demand 60% atk/mag break. I think another honorable mention is 2B in the category of full breaks, who has a 74% LB AoE full break and 70% CD AoE full break, 50% CD full break, and 60% atk/mag break activated by aforementioned CD. --Vkbd (talk) 06:06, 6 May 2019 (UTC)