Final Fantasy Brave Exvius Wiki talk:Contributor Central/Archives/June-July 2016

Server might crash when editing certain things, but it should auto-recover within 2 minutes. The crash is rare, but it happens. I'm currently looking into this issue. --Cysidus (talk) 03:25, 3 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Should be fixed now, please report if there's any issue --Cysidus (talk) 23:00, 3 June 2016 (EDT)

Equipment
So, guess we are finished with equipments for now (missing the two new swords from the event and craft / in-game guide description of some), should I mark with the "Confirmation Needed" tag the missing descriptions? And I will do the new weapons pages and stuff, I will leave uploading the images to you sorry --Umuzu (talk) 10:45, 20 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Yeah you can put the confirmation needed tag, it's mostly for our reference more so than the users. I'll upload the image, if I know what it looked like, lol. Hero's Ring is taking over my crafting menu for at least 20 more hours and I can't check them. --Cysidus (talk) 11:18, 20 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I will tag them then, I was just not sure about if it was needed honestly, but I guess it might be good to have a reminder that they are missing. About the images, you can just check them on the Menu>Guides, they are the last two recipes. --Umuzu (talk) 11:50, 20 June 2016 (EDT)

Monster
Also I will take a break now and was thinking about doing the monster pages later tonight, but no idea how to do the layout of the pages, I'm not really good with wiki formating so any progress with this so I can just fill the info would be amazing, and unless there is another / better source should we just use the monster info that altema has? I believe there are no differences between the two servers, but naturally can't be 100% certain. ( http://altema.jp/ffbe/monsterlist ) --Umuzu (talk) 10:45, 20 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Altema is a good source and it'll be just fine if you use that, but they sometimes do have wrong information. I usually reference a couple other wiki like gaym and maybe even gamewith if I notice something wrong. As for the layout, I'll try to get them done asap. --Cysidus (talk) 11:18, 20 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I'll help with the info as well once the format is set. I have scanned every monster I've fought except Europa so I got the monster lores secured. --GunBlade (talk) 11:33, 20 June 2016 (EDT)
 * No need to hurry about this really, I will probably only get around to do this at ~20:00 EDT, so as far as I am concerned feel free to take your time. And I will try to cross-check the wikis then, there's also the famitsu and game8 wikis, I will check them later to see how to go about this. In case you get to it now, GunBlade can start and I can just finish whatever is left by then. --Umuzu (talk) 11:50, 20 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I'm going to have to create a new template for resistances that looks compact, so maybe tomorrow.--Cysidus (talk) 14:42, 20 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I think we can re-use the template for the resistances, the one used in the esper's page and for the monsters template I'll try to create one as well, if its still not finished. --Terra (talk) 12:49, 22 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Sorry for the delay, but it's pretty much done. The problem with the resistance is how some monster have different resistance in different location, like this. This is pretty rare though, and seems to affect boss monsters mostly. --Cysidus (talk) 14:36, 22 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Ok, check Zu for some a sample of monster page. Monsters are the hardest to keep track of, and there are no resource site out there that have complete data, so we'll just have to leave blank on stuff we don't have any data on. If it's an important or big boss monster like white dragon or europa we can add notes and/or strategy section, similar to this. --Cysidus (talk) 15:06, 22 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I'm backtracking on this resistance issue. I think it's rare enough that we don't need to sacrifice readability for it. I have modified Zu page to look similar to unit page. I have updated the other monster page as well. Resistance tooltip now indicates that resistance may vary between same monsters. Just add several resistance infobox when that happens. --Cysidus (talk) 12:29, 26 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Afaik steal steals things present in the drop table of an enemy, so having the Drop and Steal info separated in the Loot section is kinda redundant, or are there drops that can't be stolen? --Umuzu (talk) 20:01, 27 June 2016 (EDT)
 * They have similar loot table, but I've noticed some difference. You can only steal elixir from hell's rider. I don't think I've seen esper cryst/shard being stolen. --Cysidus (talk) 21:19, 27 June 2016 (EDT)

Anyone knows what's up with Veritas of the Dark? According to the Japanese sources, he's supposed to be No. 134 on the Monster Guide, but he isn't showing up on mine, even though I've defeated and Libra-d him. Is it a bug, or is he supposed to only appear after a subsequent fight? If he's only supposed to appear after a subsequent fight, would it make sense to create a page for him now with the stats from the Lanzelt Ruins boss fight? --Dyzpa (talk) 01:56, 4 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Doesn't show up on mine either, creating/updating a page for him from Lanzelt Ruins fight should be fine. --Cysidus (talk) 02:24, 4 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Omg. Figured out the problem. The game counts the loss to Veritas as a game over of sorts since you don't actually kill him. You need to go back to the dungeon and fully defeat him for him to appear on the Monster Guide. Don't know if this is a bug, or if its meant to be that way. --Dyzpa (talk) 04:11, 5 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Oh, nice find. Gonna do that when I have spare energy. --Cysidus (talk) 06:37, 5 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Hi, new contributor, is just finish a creating all page of monster with table, i put question when i don't have any information. I corrected a few page that have no loot table or no description (take info in the FAQ of the game). --Moubai (talk) 08:56, 7 July 2016 (EDT)

I have noticed that some monster pages have a Separate Column for Steal and Colosseum steal. Do we need those 2 different columns? It's been my observation that anything stolen normally is also stolen in the Colosseum if it's from the same monster. --The Strategic Gamer (talk) 0031 9 July 2016 (MDT)
 * It should be in the same column. --Cysidus (talk) 05:01, 9 July 2016 (EDT)

When editing Monsters for Lanzelt, Someone put that "Sometimes identical monsters in different location don't share same resistance. Please add additional infobox when you encounter one.". However, the monster I am editing, Rudra, shows no resistances. In this case, the monster is only present in 1 area that we know of, and therefore not an issue. But if a monster shows up in multiple areas, and the resistance infobox is blank, and we come across one that does have resistances. Are we to assume the infobox simply hasn't been filled out yet? Or should we assume that the Blanks are from the same monster but in a different area? Should we put Question Marks in all the blank resistance boxes so that we know that it is missing information instead of a lack of resistances? I will do whatever is decided, I just want to make sure I do it right. --The Strategic Gamer (talk) 05:37 July 9 2016 (MDT)
 * If that's the case the original contributor might not fill the resistance properly. Empty resistance should still warrant empty infobox. Instead of adding 1 blank and 1 new infobox, just add a new one, in case of inconsistencies it can be editer later. --Cysidus (talk) 21:32, 9 July 2016 (EDT)

Ability
While the monster page is not ready I though about trying my hand at the magics / special pages, but can't say I'm 100% about some things (did the Libra page to illustrate) - Should the Affinity template be used to indicate the type of magic or would it better to just write White / White Magic instead? I am not sure about having the "Element" too since it will either be explicit or don't have one, but there might be exceptions that I am not aware. Should the units list be a table instead? And should it include the level that the ability is learned? Same for the Eidolon, but instead of level maybe putting the SP cost of the cell in the grid? And just to be sure, any other info that it should have? --Umuzu (talk) 13:17, 22 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I think there are several ability page done already, like Barrage and Raise. Not much different, just condensed into existing section, can probably add esper on top of that too. I think element can be omitted for now, since the effect should have them written, and I'm not sure if magic element will be used for more stuff (pvp ban? no idea) that makes it important to list for non damaging magic. SP cost information won't be useful, since you need to learn previous skill node as well. --Cysidus (talk) 14:36, 22 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Oh, this works, I remember checking a link and not finding anything earlier this week so I just assumed nothing was done, my bad, I will fix the Libra page and start with it then, thanks! --Umuzu (talk) 14:47, 22 June 2016 (EDT)

In regards to Limit Bursts, I am not sure about the necessity of each of them (and of each rarity) needing an individual page, there's no extra information to put there besides what already is in the character page and as far as I know we don't have individual values of each level for the LBs (or do we?). Wouldn't it be better to create a single master list of LBs and just link all of them to it? Or at least one LB page per character instead of one for each rarity? --Umuzu (talk) 13:46, 27 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Yeah I also think they were unnecessary, but it kinda snowballed after everyone copied each other. I think there is an individual value in some wiki, but it's not a useful information, I think we should just remove all links, and create a list page for limit burst. --Cysidus (talk) 11:28, 29 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Yeah, even if we listed the individual levels of LBs it is quite useless, but it was really a last resort to try justifying the pages I guess. I will be rerolling tonight to see if I somehow end up with a better account and will check the bios and LBs of the units that I get so I will start removing the links as I go through them, later tonight or tomorrow I can start with a page listing the LBs since it should be fairly quick to fill it as it's just copy paste, but feel free to create it if you have time and want a certain layout to the page as I will probably do something very basic. --Umuzu (talk) 17:01, 29 June 2016 (EDT)
 * As promised: Limit Bursts here it is, I won't edit the sidebar to include it so you can have a final look, if there is anything that you might want to change or adjust, as I said I did something very simples, was going for an individual table for each unit, but in the end it was easier to just do it like this. --Umuzu (talk) 17:56, 1 July 2016 (EDT)
 * I'm going to separate it into several sections; damage only, healing & support, debuff, other. --Cysidus (talk) 08:29, 2 July 2016 (EDT)

Material
If anyone is working on materials usage, don't forget to use "What links here" feature, it's very useful, see for example who use heaven's ash as their awakening material. --Cysidus (talk) 15:27, 22 June 2016 (EDT)

Hello! I've started collecting info on materials, mostly who drops them, who can you steal them from and where to find the enemies. I'm still gathering the data but I've already added what I got on the Allure Powder as a check if this is the kind of things we need and if the formatting I'm using is good or if you'd prefer another thing. --Megabos5 (talk) 17:36, 27 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I think it looks good, just need some link formatting. Don't forget to indent the data with . --Cysidus (talk) 00:12, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Just changed the Allure Powder page again, adding the usage info and changing the tables in the how to obtain section, I think it looks better this way, just not sure how to display the list of the units that use this material. --Megabos5 (talk) 06:19, 30 June 2016 (EDT)
 * It's fine for now, when it gets too long maybe we can add or with shorter css class. --Cysidus (talk) 07:24, 30 June 2016 (EDT)

Hi. I've made a test in Fire Cryst (Usage part). What do you think about it ? --Kaiz (talk) 04:30, 2 July 2016 (EDT)
 * I prefer the simpler list, it's more manageable to update. --Cysidus (talk) 06:27, 2 July 2016 (EDT)

I'm going to start editing the crafting materials part (except the crysts), in the usage info should I differentiate between equipment, ability and items like I've done in Abominable Wing or just one single list? --Megabos5 (talk) 11:29, 2 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Separated looks fine --Cysidus (talk) 11:39, 2 July 2016 (EDT)

Just finished putting all of the information regarding the materials found on the first island and some extras, adding the second island data will take a while since it needs an higher amount of energy per level. --Megabos5 (talk) 14:51, 3 July 2016 (EDT)

I have been farming some Areas and taking note of everything I steal and everything they drop and adjusting the pages accordingly. Someone has been going through and removing the Hyperlinks on my edited Stuff? for Example, I Added to Zadehl Westersands - Exploration and Basilisk to Stolen from Demon Tail. However, Kemix removed the Functions under "Stolen From" So that they no longer lead to the page for the Exploration or Monster... Is there a reason for this? Am I doing it wrong? --The Strategic Gamer (talk)
 * He's following what I did on my first round of materials data dump, removing duplicate links, in other words you only keep the link of the first appearance, extra repeated links are unnecessary (at least in my opinion), and next time put it on the materials section since it's regarding a material and I'm mostly working on that section so I can help. Also don't worry, after I finish gathering the data of the second island on my spreadsheet I'll update all of the materials again. --Megabos5 (talk) 19:49, 8 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Just my two cents, but I don't really agree with that, this logic is valid for texts, if something is linked in an earlier part of the text body linking it again would be unnecessary, but on tables I don't see the reason to not have everything linked, honestly, if I find any information on a table I shouldn't have to look on a previous one to find a link (or have to manually search the page), this can be even more troublesome the more things are listed. Also, I would just like to say that I feel conflicted about having the locations too, listing all of them to some monsters will make the tables too big and only listing one of them is kinda confusing, wouldn't it be better to change to "suggested location" or just scrap it? Having to keep it updated with future content will just be extra work too if they are all listed. --Umuzu (talk) 03:13, 9 July 2016 (EDT)
 * I agree that everything should be linked. As a user of Wiki's, it is extremely annoying to have to search the page for a link, or search for it specifically. It's much easier when I can just click the word right where i'm reading it. --The Strategic Gamer (talk) 06:33 July 9 2016 (MDT)
 * After looking more into it, it seems that they are listed by location instead of by monster, so disregard the final part of the last comment as it is quite unrelated then. Although it is still weird how some are listed only the exploration and not the dungeon when it appears in both (on purpose?) --Umuzu (talk) 05:00, 9 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Then after I finish the round around lanzelt island I'll put a link on every entry of the table to make it easier. Regarding the locations the ones I've edited are mostly for the dungeons since I'm only doing those levels, but from what I've noticed is that most enemies that appear in the dungeon will also appear in the exploration, but I'm not sure. On my talk page there are some conclusions I've reached regarding those, but until confirmed I can only vouch for the dungeons. --Megabos5 (talk) 08:17, 9 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Understood. This is the first time I have taken interest into contributing to a Wiki, and I have a LOT of spare time to do so. (6 hours a day). So I'm still learning how to do it and help properly. But I will treat it with integrity and only add/change the things I have personally confirmed. Or should I just stay out of it? --The Strategic Gamer (talk) 17:54, 8 July 2016 (MDT)
 * Please do continue, this is also my first time contributing to a wiki and every help counts. --Megabos5 (talk) 20:04, 8 July 2016 (EDT)

Unit Bio
Hi there! I still don't know if I'm posting in the right area. I had to talk to Terra and I would like to make a suggestion if its possible to make a panel for units' lores for their base up to their final forms if possible so that there will no longer be needing any editing for their latest lores and such? --Kite (talk) 06:26, 24 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Yeah I've been thinking about that too, maybe a collapsible panel "Show more background story" would be good since it'll be too long to just plain list them all. I'll get a couple of them up soon. But in the mean time, the base story should be the lowest rarity one, because I think it's better at introducing the unit. --Cysidus (talk) 06:41, 24 June 2016 (EDT)
 * That sounds good. I can ask my friends for some bios since I dont pull much. I just saw Kite updated the bios to their highest rarity, just wasnt sure if I should revert it tho. I'll also start working on the monsters section, just been busy with college stuffs these past days so sorry for that. I might took awhile because im only using my game as a source to be precise with the infos. --GunBlade (talk) 07:45, 24 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Thanks Kite! As for the collapsible panel, I'm currently working on also on this one as well, will try to add them soon (maybe this weekend) in one of the unit's pages (Terra's). I've also ask the the forum people to help us with regards with the lore and surprisingly they would love to provide the info as well, I've been gathering these info and will update the units pages soon, if time permits as I have loads of sidelined school work. Also, Kite provided some useful and very interesting trivias! I will also post this soon. Thanks a lot! PS: @Cysidus I saw the mobile responsive theme and test some of it, it works well, let me know if you need some help on it as I've also converted some of my website projects to a mobile version as well, hope my little knowledge on this will be helpful.--Terra (talk) 07:57, 24 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I've actually used mediawiki mobilefrontend extension, which is identical to the one used in wikipedia. It detects the user device and serve them a new minimalist skin called minerva. Additional css can be edited in Mediawiki:Mobile.css. It works pretty well so I'll use this one for now and polish it later. The sidebar for example is kind of hackish and confusing. I've also added the collapsible to unit bios, it looks decent enough, but unfortunately doesn't collapse on mobile. --Cysidus (talk) 03:09, 25 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I've changed it a little, now it's a full section at the bottom near notes. --Cysidus (talk) 03:30, 25 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Thanks! this is much better, sorry for my late responses as I'm quite busy. With regards to the mobile theme it looks great! the web extension and the css is neat, I'll definitely have to check on this, thanks again!--Terra (talk) 23:01, 27 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I'll be adding the trivia info for Golbez, Locke and Kefka once they are out. I have to look around on our current unit list for the FF series heroes/villains. --Kite (talk) 02:21, 3 July 2016 (EDT)

Unit Ranking
Hi there, little question from a new contributor ;) i'm talking a lot with some friends about the game and we use this wiki to help everyone gathering earth key or know wich unit is the strongest. But, when we look at the unit ranking page, we can see (for example) that chizuru is better than exdeath, but nobody can really compared them since one is a physical fighter and the other a black mage, so i was wondering if you can separate each type of unit (physical/magical/healer/tank/anything else) to have a clever view of the rank of each unit. --Melody (talk) 10:38, 7 July 2016 (EDT)
 * I second this. Had the same problem my self. What I did on Excel was add the Role section from the Unit List page, then sorted by Role, then by Ranking. I also added all the stats alongside it (HP, MP, etc.), but I don't think that's necessary here. --Dyzpa (talk) 20:14, 8 July 2016 (EDT)
 * That warrants a new page, like "Best units by roles" or something similar. --Cysidus (talk) 21:56, 8 July 2016 (EDT)

Dungeon
The possible drops part of each level is only for the additional drop you can get in that level or the monsters drops are included? --Megabos5 (talk) 18:40, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
 * It's mostly for monster drops, since people are going to use that as a reference to farm. --Cysidus (talk) 21:21, 28 June 2016 (EDT)

There is a duplicate Deserted Highroad - Southwest page with only that segment, I've already removed the only page that linked to that one (Sacred Crystal), we probably can delete that page now. --Megabos5 (talk) 18:01, 30 June 2016 (EDT)


 * Thank you for deleting the page. --Megabos5 (talk) 14:51, 3 July 2016 (EDT)

Monster Origins/Sprite Origins
Hello again! I've talked to Terra again about adding the games where these monsters originally come from. She said it would be great but the enemy sprites must be completed first. What do you think, Cysidus? --Kite (talk) 02:08, 3 July 2016 (EDT)
 * You mean adding each FF they previously appear in? Like this coeurl? I don't think many people would be interested in that, considering they all share majority of enemies. Don't worry about monster sprite for now, I'm still cropping them, it should appear automatically once it's done. --Cysidus (talk) 02:15, 3 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Well, yeah, the sprites where they are originated with and such. But I guess its probably too much of a work eh? Alright then, I'll keep an eye of it. --Kite (talk) 02:20, 3 July 2016 (EDT)

Guides
Anyone think we should have a TM guide? I know the TMs are listed on the Unit List page and under FP on the Beginner's guide, but I think it's a novel and complicated enough system to warrant a guide on its own, with a ranking list like on altema/gaym/gamewith, i.e. we separate the FP section and the TM section. So the FP section will expand a little on the gifts (why it's important to gift/ have more friends, and why gil is useless as a friend gift, and when to request for the crysts). Then the TM section, as what I mentioned above. --Dyzpa (talk) 20:14, 8 July 2016 (EDT)
 * We can create as many guides as we can, maybe linked in main page as "more guides" which links to category:guides. Tag each new guide with the category. --Cysidus (talk) 21:56, 8 July 2016 (EDT)

To do

 * Mobile responsive or mobile theme.
 * Monster data
 * Monster sprite
 * Abilities
 * Materials usage and how to obtain
 * Add possible monsters/drops to Lanzelt dungeons
 * Add "Involved in Quests" to the rest, currently only available in Lanzelt exploration maps.
 * Quest list. Under data?
 * Star quartz under data. Marlo shop section needs to be updated with fat chocobo shop.
 * Rank exp chart under gameplay
 * Unit exp chart under unit
 * Vortex of Trial
 * Best places to farm edit up-to-date info
 * Basic information & Beginner's Guide edit up-to-date info -> before game release!
 * Categorization. Small mistake not to do this at the beginning, currently all list pages are just normal page.
 * Navbox. The navigation box at the bottom that links to anything relevant, like towns get town navbox.
 * Formatting guide and template documentation.
 * Add common wiki tools at the top right (recent changes, edit, discussion)